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Hulda's avatar

Bravo, enna!

It's such a relief to encounter respect for "the material". The Chinese character "Qi" consists of 2 characters, one meaning steam, the other rice. As one of my acupressure teachers explains, not only does steamed rice give one "energy", but Qi can take the "form" of steam or of rice, and everything else in between! (You can listen to my song Steamed Rice on my songpage at https://solari.com/HuldaNystrom).

My best to you and all!

Hulda

enna's avatar

Yesssss. There you are - Asia doesn't have a problem with the false duality of material-vs-subtle, it knows energy and matter are the same thing in different forms.

And in my Asian rice-eating capacity, I much appreciate your teaching tidbit - I live among rice-fields....

Mary, Maria Pavic's avatar

You know, you don't understand the real principles of what we are dealing with. You're just repeating the non-knowledge with which they mind controlled us. You are not meant to be here to begin with, so why would you want to stay here...and make it a better place...? It was told to you that you had to find out what happened first of all. You had to first get to the root. Question everything. It is in your best interests to know what really happened first of all. Of course finding out who you really are, instead of who they tell you you are, is most important, because through the True Self you may be able to navigate this corrupt system that we are in. This isn't just a planetary situation, you know? This is dealing with galaxy-wide situations.

There are books you can read, but it's up to you to read them, if you are to find the truth. The Nag Hammadi Library, when you can read it objectively, because it's full of religious views, you can find a lot of missing pieces. After you have attempted to understand that, which I guarantee you, you won't, but it's a start, you can then read John Lamb Lash's, "Not In HIS Image" to comprehend some of what you have just read in the Nag Hammadi Library. By the way, you can find the NHL online for free to read. After you have read Not In HIS Image, you would want to get Theresa Talea's book, "Eternal Humans And The Finite gods" because then you will put together a whole lot more from the standpoint of creation, galaxy and beyond, and some horrible truths that are needing to be known nevertheless if one is to free themselves from this negative system. Theresa Talea was doing an analysis of the book by Ashayana Deane, but as I can tell you, her book is so grotesque and difficult to read....what I mean by grotesque is that it is full of lies and deceptions. I'm pretty sensitive to those things, and I couldn't even finish the book, I threw it from me in anger. That week I was sent, by a beautiful lady, a link to Theresa Talea's book, and I checked it out, and was pleased and delighted, so I bought the book. I found that Theresa Talea and her mother had much more and better knowledge than Ashayana Deane had. That is a 600 page book, full of intricate information, and a very difficult read because it is so full of the truth that has been hidden from us, but you cannot fix a problem that you do not know the cause of. Well, this book, plus the Nag Hammadi, have many causes shown to fill your mind with, to wonder about, to meditate on.

Those are main books to find out the truth of what happened here, to us, and to others. There are many books. It takes a lot of searching and wanting to know the truth, to be able to go through material that is out there. There are a lot of snags and traps that they try to catch you in, but generally, a person who desires the truth with all their might, will see those snags and pass those books, not wasting their energy reading them, and move onto that which is truth telling rather than deception selling.

So you see. I cannot even begin to tell you the problem with which I have found your post to be filled with. The truth is like a pin thrown into a haystack and it's up to you to find it. With your Higher Self, and allowing it to guide you, you will find it.

A short book, to start off anyone who may be interested, might be something like, Thomas Troward's "Edinburgh Lectures" https://archive.org/details/edinburghlectur00trow He talks about Spirit and Matter. It's very well expressed.

enna's avatar

Passionate Maria, Thank you for this lecture and exhortation to read books.

I am a bit puzzled though - you seem extremely displeased with my humble piece, yet you say 'I cannot even begin to tell you the problem with which I have found your post to be filled with', and you seem to say it's up to me to find out the problem.

Which makes for a rather strange comment, and no dialogue... So I'm afraid I have no answer.

I should however assure you that I have read John Lamb Lash's book, and many more of his writings. Nag Hammadi too. Many other books too. A great many. In other languages too - lots of 'truth' is hidden in the 'gaps' between languages, as I'm sure you are aware.

Your first paragraph - hmmm, it seems to be addressed to someone else. I don't repeat the mind-controlled stuff, actually. As for 'not meant to be here', I beg to differ - or I am misunderstanding your statement.

Perhaps you got irritated by the reference to the Russian language.

Mary, Maria Pavic's avatar

I'll do the best I can to describe what I meant, but it won't be easy. What I meant by "you are not meant to be here to begin with" is that, we are not meant to be suppressed and imprisoned by negative fallen angels and alien entities who use us for their own benefit, suck our energy dry, and phantoms that they are, 'live' off of us, stealing our energy to continue their already dead nature. Then, to have our minds wiped continually in the reincarnation process...and if we're not aware that this is going on, we will be manipulated, conned, deceived by them to come right back again into a body in this place. Too many reincarnations cause the being to lose their essence, hence to become more easily manipulated, until eventually they are so mindless they'll be sucked dry. Do you see what I mean by, it's not easy to describe? These beings who have taken over a few hundred thousand years ago on this planet... have deterred us from our true journey, which is to be growing, expanding and moving higher through the realms. But we are mind controlled and held back, made to think this is where we belong, and how to make this place a better place, when in fact, it is not meant for us to be stuck in a matter world that always shifts, changes and dissolves.

Anyway, I am grateful you've read those books. I have nothing against the Russians. My parents were Croatian and that language is very similar to Russian, so when I listen to Russian people speak, I understand much of what they say. I never meant to hurt you, I was just upset this morning because of all the suffering that is continually going on in this world, and we are not meant to be suffering, and so I wanted to help correct some of the comprehension that I've seen when I opened my computer to begin the day, and I saw this post. I myself have had to struggle all my life just to get the knowledge I have found, and the more knowledge I get, the more I am attacked, but I know that at a certain point, all these attacks will end, because I will have gained the fullness I need in which to protect myself. Therefore, it is almost unbearable for me to be writing this to you, knowing what I had to go through, at the same time, it becomes easier for others as a group of beings fulfills their level and it resonates. So, whether you're one of them, I don't know, I just hope that we can move this body of the Living, along on a kinder journey. Thank you.

enna's avatar

Dear Maria, Thank you for clarifying what you meant.

You are right to a large extent regarding the suffering, mind f***ing, oblivion... I don't know why you assumed that I knew nothing about it, just because I talked about 'matter'.

The core point is that WE have forgotten who/what we really are, and I think you might agree with me on that point. We were made to forget, and we forgot, what's done is done - let's get on with our real human business. No point in dwelling on how awful 'they' have been to us.

A lot of what you express here is covered in my book 'Krivda', which ends with a call for us to re-member what has been dis-membered in the human.

The problem is not 'matter', it is how we have been brainwashed and deeply traumatized. This makes us, inter alia, attribute to 'matter' the evil wrought upon us by aliens/high priests/demons/jealous cosmic idiots, via the tool of 'religion' in particular, itself the devious infliction of violence wrapped in so-called 'love' and demanding 'sacrifice'. I should point out that this particular issue with 'matter' seems to be specific of mainly the monotheistic cultures. Not a problem in most Asian cultures, they have a problem with 'spirits' if anything, and with the disastrous effects on them of western 'convenience' culture that destroys their love of life.

Maria, it should not be 'unbearable' to write about these things. It's hard, for sure, but we must go through the tunnel, it's only by consciously traveling through 'hell' (Dante did it, so can we) that we can see it for the sad emptiness that it really is, and know the bliss of sharing life with a highly talented creative planet.

You are not alone in having 'had to struggle all my life just to get the knowledge'... On the other hand, how much value is there in getting everything we want without having to strive for it, to overcome obstacles including those implanted inside ourselves...

wishing you all the best!

Mary, Maria Pavic's avatar

Excellent. That was beautiful. Write more books. Lol. You do know. I'm so grateful. Thank you for taking the time to expand these expressions. Appreciated!

ShieldMaiden's avatar

potrebliat is a wonderful word; I wish I knew how to pronounce it! Every day I give thanks for the potrebliat items and relationships in my realm.

Steshu Dostoevsky's avatar

But what if you consume unique and beautiful artwork, and devour soulfully nutritious literature and Enna’s Substack? There’s a certain rebellion against the pragmatic realism inherent in civilization and business that quirky and impulsive consumerism can accomplish. My father would always insist that every purchase should have a practical use. Where is the practical use for purchasing a record album? Or a toy?

enna's avatar

Dear Steshu, Beautiful artwork is not consumed, is it? We commune with it, it takes us to hidden places inside. Nutritious literature calls up a dialogue between the author and the reader. Such things are not 'consumed'...

The practical use of purchasing a record is that it might nourish something bigger or subtler than one's impulsive caprice...

Steshu Dostoevsky's avatar

Dearest enna, You never disappoint me. Who am I to judge?

Steve and Krys Crimi's avatar

Great musings, Enna. My thoughts went immediately to Samkhya, which appoints the material world with the category of "that-ness". Certainly an active case. Not static at all, because it is co-mingled with consciousness. As you are aware, the word in Sanskrit for "that" is "tat". So, the aphorism, "tat tvam asi", meaning "you are that", is pointing to the fact that there is no separation between the material and the divine but concomitant arising...more to the point...Unity.

I was also "tickled" by your use of the word "pedigree". It felt very pregnant somehow, so I looked up the etymology and was surprised to learn that it refers to the foot of a crane.

[C15: from Old French pie de grue crane's foot, alluding to the spreading lines used in a genealogical chart]

Well, that maps on perfectly to, what in Samkhya, is called a "tattva chart", which elucidates the trajectory of consciousness in to manifestation. Not unlike a pedigree chart of ancestry.

Pattern recognition is a great thing :-) Thanks for your spark! Warm regards, Krys.

enna's avatar

Crane's foot - perfect, love it.

I am so so glad that you share the Samkhya wavelength - it's kinda lonely.

And pattern recognition, my dearest friend, it's where the brilliance of illiterate wisdom and that of the well-read humble sage converge, is it not?

Brendan Lannen's avatar

Dear enna, thank you for such wonderful incite. Lack is created to trigger/ cause substantiation. And so the cycle begins. In all regards we are complete. It is the pursuit of the realisation of one's completeness we call life.