Mauro Biglino with Sarah Westall - interview about ‘the Bible’.
interesting and important details beyond the references from Biglino in the book ‘Krivda’.
I have made a transcription from
https://sarahwestall.com/Vatican-translator-alien-god-genetically-cloned-humans-mauro-biglino-2of2/
When I first heard this interview that Sarah has just re-released, I found it fascinating and frustrating. After having read and listened to a lot of Biglino material (see ‘Krivda’) much more of the interview has become clear for me, and consequently is well worth sharing with you. Here Biglino states certain points more clearly than I have found anywhere else. You will find much that is of great relevance to the techno-transhuman agenda today…
I am not transcribing what his interpreter says for a lot of it is unreliable - no blame attaches to her since she is not a professional but does this job out of her kindness and enthusiasm. Her English is not precise enough in relation to how clearly Biglino expresses himself. Here, Biglino’s answers are re-translated by me.
Many passages below are italicized by me - you will no doubt find some threads that connect with what is happening today in our world.
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Q. What was your role in the Vatican?
A.I worked for Casa Editrice San Paolo, the most important publisher of Catholic books in Italy. My job was to translate the Hebrew Bible for the Vatican from the Masoretic version which is the most commonly accepted and disseminated. They published 17 books of the Old Testament translated by me.
Q. Were you able to see the Vatican library?
A. It was not necessary for my work was to translate the Bible, I did not need other documents. Interestingly, all that I have recovered was recovered without the need for other documents.
Q. I assume the Vatican holds many other documents. But when you were translating the documents what did you learn about the Old Testament that we don’t know about, that isn’t accurate?
A. From the literal reading of the Bible in Hebrew, it is that the Bible tells us a story different from that told by theology. The Bible does not talk about god. The word ‘god’ as we understand it does not exist in the Bible.
Q. How did the word ‘god’ get into the Bible?
A. the Bible talks about one individual, Yahweh by name, who belongs to the group of those called by the Bible the ‘Elohim’. These are not god, they are individuals in flesh and blood, they eat, travel, need rest, drink, work, soil themselves. The Bible talks about Yahweh because he is the one who dealt with the people of Israel. It is thus a very concrete story that has nothing to do with the idea of the spiritual transcendent omnipotent god.
Q. Who is this person? Are they human beings or another race?
A. Another race.
Q. From here or from elsewhere?
A. From elsewhere.
Q. Were we here before they came?
A. They made us, it’s in the Old Testament.
Q. Why was this not in the translated version?
A. Because the Bible was used by theology to construct and sustain the idea of the god elaborated by theology.
Q. How did you know what to give them if the translation wasn’t the same? What were they asking of you?
A. I had no interpretation to do. I simply state what I read.
Q. You translated, and they took the translation and put what they wanted into it?
A. In my translations for them this was not much of a problem because these books were prophecy or sapiential books. But the story of Elohim making the first man is in the first books of the Old Testament - Genesis, Exodus.
Q. If we read the Bible through that lens we would understand that the translation is not quite reality.
A. You have to use many dictionaries where you see clearly the meaning of terms, and mainly you must be very attentive to context. The context tells us that Elohim were flesh and blood individuals. It tells us that Yahweh was not omnipotent, in fact he was one of the weakest of that group. The Bible gives us the names of his colleagues and rivals, against whom he fought. The word Elohim - nobody in the world knows how exactly to translate it. It would be most honest not to translate it in the first place, this would remove lots of problems and discussions. But theology has needed to translate it as ‘god’ otherwise it would have no place to insert ‘god’. What I am saying is not something that I discovered, I have discovered nothing. I simply say what is written, of which the hierarchy of the Church is well aware. But they have to maintain the existence of ‘god’ in the Bible, since that is the basis to support the whole power structure. Hence my ‘fault’ is to say clearly what is written.
Q. What does the Vatican think of you talking about this? Have you been told to please stop?
A. No. These things sooner or later have to be said, so I think that for them it is useful that somebody starts to say them clearly.
Q. I was told that high people in the Church secretly want you to get the story out. Is anyone else willing to come forth to confirm that this is what is going on?
A. I have no certainty about this, although it is probable. But I had no permissions as I did not need to seek any, and I was not blocked in any way by the higher-ups in the Church. Although I do get intimidation - but from the base, not from the Church hierarchy.
Q. It’s hard for the ordinary people to accept.
A. Many people thank me, and a lot of people do not want to hear these things. So there are many who seek to stop me from working on it.
Q. You haven’t said that god doesn’t exist.
A. I know nothing about god so i don’t say anything about it. It is a matter for individual people’s faith. But I am absolutely sure that the Bible does not talk about it. God may exist and may have created the universe but this is not part of my work. The Bible does not talk about creation, and does not contain the word ‘god’ as we understand it. It doesn’t have the verb ‘create from nothing’. What does exist is the story of what the Elohim did on earth. but it has nothing to do with the creation of the universe. the Bible is only about the story of one people, the people of Israel.
Q. Let’s look at some of its details. Adam and Eve, what is the true story?
A. They are not the progenitors of humanity, they are the heads of a special race, or ethnic group, that the Elohim developed through genetic engineering to use them to work in their centers, their laboratories. These individuals had a certain percentage of Elohim genes. Adam and Eve were a group of males and females. The Bible says clearly that Adam was not made in the so-called paradise, but made elsewhere and taken to be put here. The Bible is very clear about this, no need for any interpretation.
Q. Was Adam created first, how about Eve, did they use apes, what are we?
A. Adam is a genetically pure product - we can understand that he was derived from homo sapiens, and homo sapiens is also a product of theirs. Eve was obtained by cloning, using Adam’s cells.
Q. So they knew how to make a female version of human sapiens from a male?
A. No, those already existed. What they made was the female version of the group of Adamites - a specific production for that particular group. When Cain is chased away after killing Abel, he says ‘if you throw me out, all those who meet me will kill me.’ This means that outside this group there were lots of other people. Cain takes wives there and builds cities. Hence the cities were built for inhabitants. So a distinction must be made between the Adamites as a special group, and all the others.
Q. When Adam came, there existed other people?
A. Yes. And the story is close to us in time - 4000-5000 BC.
Q. What were the people genetically who were already here?
A. Adam and Eve had a major share of Elohim DNA. They lived far longer lives than all the others. 800-900 years. Other people lived 30-50 years at the time.
Q. Are modern people a cross between Adam and Eve genetics and those of the other groups?
A. There is no distinction now between Adamites and us moderns because the Adamites’ genetics got dispersed among the people, and the genetic heritage of Elohim was very similar to the Adamites. Chapter 6 of Genesis says that Elohim males united with Adamite women and had children.
Q. Did it say who created the other humans on earth?
A. Always the Elohim. They needed a race of workers so they started experimenting on homo erectus and homo abilis, finally to produce homo sapiens. Within homo sapiens, Adamites are a very special group. Some of the Hebrews believe they are direct descendants of Adamites.
Q. They don’t live to be 800, do they? Are there people on earth who live that long now?
A. No. In Chapter 6 of Genesis, it says that at a certain time the Elohim decide to no longer share their genes with the Adamites. To stop sexual relations with Adamite women. Hence the life of Adamites will be shorter to reach down to 120 years. Indeed from that time on, as is seen in the Bible, the lives of Adams’ descendants keep getting shorter, 500, 400…
And since they no longer gave their genes, what was in the Adamites got diluted and gradually the expression of the Elohim genes became reduced, hence shorter lives.
Q. Where did the Elohim go, what happened to them?
A. If one day we discover that many of them are still here I shall not be surprised. They were so much like us as to (now) be indistinguishable. It is said by apostle St Paul in a letter to the Hebrews: remember to practice hospitality because who knows, you might unknowingly have received someone from that race. So if a stranger requests hospitality, give it because he might be one of ‘them’. This is still true with Hindu people today - if a stranger asks for hospitality, grant it, for he might be one of the gods. All cultures of the world knew these things, for they all say the same thing. The Bible is only one of the many books that tell this same story. So it is not a special, unique book. It is, i repeat, one of the many books telling the story of the relation between a people and one of the Elohim, here Yahweh, but he is not the only one.
Q What happened with Noah’s flood?
A. That story is told around the world in at least 600 different stories. The Bible deluge is the copy of what is told in the Sumerian scriptures. Here too the Bible is only one of many books telling the same story. These past years, archeological discoveries in the east have brought forth on the coast of India, of Japan for example, submerged cities under 90-100 m of water, they were submerged at the time of the last great ice melt. This confirms that at some time around earth the level of the oceans rose by 90-100 metres. In middle eastern stories Noah is called Utnapishtim.
Q. Was the flood natural or caused by the Elohim?
A. I think it was a natural event, not caused by the Elohim. But there is a problem. The biblical story of the flood, as some rabbis say, might be the story of a local flood caused by the Elohim that opened a breach in a dike to kill all the people downstream, who were a mixed race of human and Elohim - a mixed race that was never meant to be. Hence the need to cause a flood to kill a certain type of people. The Bible may have thus merged the story of a very large flood combined with a local one.
Q. Why were these people undesirable, what was wrong with them?
A. A mixed race of human-Elohim, it was not allowed to exist.
Q. But we’re all mixed anyway - what was it genetically with those, were they too smart?
A. It was undesirable to the Elohim chiefs to have specifically that mixed race of Elohim with human women. The humans were deemed little more than animals, a bit special as animals, but animals all the same.
Q. When they were creating new children were they mixing with Adamite females?
A. To create the human race they initially used cloning. Rabbis say clearly that the Bible refers to cloning. They are not surprised to see us today doing cloning. They say that the Bible has been familiar with cloning for 4000 years. For them it is normal. For me, in reading the Bible, it is normal too.
Q. They wanted cloned humans, not random humans through the natural process of intercourse, so they could control the genetics.
A. Yes. This applied mainly to the Adamites, who were not supposed to reproduce. The problem is that Eve had sexual intercourse with one of the Elohim, probably Cain is the son of that intercourse. Some rabbis say that Eve was raped.
Q. What is the story of Eve eating from the tree of knowledge and being cast out?
A. In the Bible it doesn’t exist. The Adamite group was chased away because they began to reproduce by themselves and this was not allowed. This is why they were expelled, because they were becoming uncontrollable.
Q. They see us as just above animals. Are they incredibly more intelligent that we?
A. At that time yes, Now not so. Today we are dangerous for them. For we have escaped their control, be it in terms of intelligence or of our numbers. This might be one reason why they are also not showing themselves. But the financial system that rules over the whole world is what is described in the Bible, applied to perfection.
Q. Does the Bible state that they are afraid of us now because we are more numerous and intelligent?
A . Yes, the problem, the fundamental one, is mainly that the Adamites must not have access to the practices that used to guarantee a very long life. This would have prevented the Elohim from keeping control over the Adamites. Indeed when Eve has her first intercourse with one of the Elohim, in the Bible the Elohim clearly say ‘now Adam has become like one of us’. Hence Adam must be expelled to avoid his access to the ‘tree of life’ meaning the techniques for long life.
Q. Why not allow that long life? We are now on the verge of reaching that with a doubling, tripling of life span. Is it because we mature, figure things out, and become a much different race? Is that why they were afraid of letting us live longer?
A. Yes. If we had the longevity we would have become equal to the Elohim whose life could last several millennia of our years.
Q. Our age limits us to be in perpetual childish state, we need a longer life to operate differently. So they kept us dying young. Now that we are figuring things out, does that scare them?
A. We must always distinguish between Adamites and the rest of humanity. The humans never had long lives. The 800-900 long life was only for Adamites. When they began to reproduce if they also had access to the genetic practices known to us today to guarantee long life, they would have become fully uncontrollable and equal to the Elohim.
Q. Who do you think wrote the Bible? Was it written from the human point of view, or the Elohim one?
A. From the point of view of the Israelite people. They collected the memories of their origins, to avoid disappearance of those recorded memories, they sought to show their Elohim as one of the most important, and showed themselves through this book as the chosen people. But all the peoples of the time had their respective Elohim, and they all have left records of their relationship with their Elohim. Even the Bible refers to other Elohim by name, for instance the Elohim of the Moabites was Kamosh, who were cousins of the Israelites, and so were the Amonnites, whose Elohim was Milkom. Milkom and Kamosh fought Yahweh for control of territory. There was constant infighting within the family. Yahweh was only one of many, the one in charge of the people of Israel, and was never interested in humanity because he wasn’t god.
Q. Each group was the most inportant to them and Elohim created different groups around the planet.
A. Yes and they had laboratories everywhere, in the middle east, in north America, in Asia. One of their laboratories in the Mediterranean is mentioned by Homer in the Odysee.
Q. Why were they creating us?
A. Because we had to work for them, as is said in the stories of the middle east. because their own lower strata who had to work in the mines, rebelled. After the rebellion the chief of the Elohim said that ‘we have to find something that will work for us’. One of the two sons of the commander of the empire said that there is already on the planet somebody who can work for us, as long as we put a piece of ourselves in that somebody. Then they began experimenting. Initially they produced failed individuals such as those who couldn’t close their hands, others could not hold urine, others had distorted thorax and spine, etc. Finally they managed to get one that did work. In Sumerian that being is called Adam or Adamu - and there is also the name Lulu that means ‘mixed’ - the mix of the DNA of homo erectus and Elohim.
Q. Is all this in the Bible that you translated?
A. It is in the middle eastern stories. The Bible refers to cloning, to the making of Adam with their own DNA, and to Eve made using Adam’s cells. When they made Eve and she is presented to Adam, Adam says literally ‘finally! This one is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh’. Earlier other females were offered but were not to his taste. Hebrew texts speaks of Adam having intercourse with all the animals before he could have Eve. Again, we are referring only to the Adamites, because the Bible does not refer to all of humanity.
Q. When the other females were brought to him, was it that they were like animals?
A. To make it simple, he didn’t like them because they were like apes. The Adamites were similar to Elohim, as today is the human race.
Q. So the story in the Bible is for only the Hebrews - while the other stories provide a broader picture.
A. In all continents, there are tales of sons of the stars who made humanity. They all tell the same story.
Q. What do you think of Antartica and world leaders going there urgently to check things out?
A. In Antarctica there could be remains of ancient civilizations from before the ice. Because The Elohim have been on earth for at least several millennia. Possibly millions of years.
Q. Do you thing the Vatican has many more documents whereby we’d be able to understand the story?
A. The Vatican certainly has many documents on the history of humanity, they throw away nothing since ‘knowledge is power’.
Q. Are the Elohim good, do they care about humans at all other than as animals?
A. Inside the Elohim group there are the same differences as exist among us humans. Yahweh was solely a military man, in Hebrew he was Ish-milkhama = man of war. The Bible calls him like that. But we also have the stories from other peoples, showing that there were Elohim who loved music, arts, culture, literature, so there were differences among the Elohim as among us. One of the two sons of the empire commander loved us, the other wanted only to exploit humanity. The former was Enki, the latter Enlil.
Q. This is so interesting. Can that original book be accessed so we could see that the translations are real?
A. Of course. It is the Stuttgart Bible. It’s in Hebrew.
Q. Anyone who knows Hebrew could translate it and find the same as what you translated?
A. Yes. Many people have that information. Many rabbis say the same as I say. For instance, that Bible speaks of genetic engineering, of cloning, does not speak of creation, does not have the word ‘god’, the word ‘eternity’, nor the verb ‘to create’. It says that the Cherubim were robots. The angels called Cherubim were robots. They were one-passenger flying devices. Yahweh flew on this device, seated as on a horse.
Q. Caravans?!
A. No, Cherubims. Yahweh flew on these machines, not the angels. The angels were the lower military class within the Elohim group, they delivered orders. They were the controllers, the guards. Only the Cherubims were robots.
The Bible is not a book of theology, of religion - all this is clearly stated by many rabbis.
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Mauro Biglino with Sarah Westall - interview about ‘the Bible’.
I read this. I appreciate the translation but the content is so far beyond my understanding of existence (?) that I can't comment about the content. However, the content generates a lot of questions. ... When I was reading I kept remembering the wall of a yoga studio that had the question "Who am I?" painted on the wall. Is it possible to answer this question? ... Someone I know recently told me that only humans with type O blood are pure humans. What would it mean to be a pure human? ... Can someone who is designed to be a slave become free? .... On Arn Zingdad Allingham's YouTube channel there are "Adamu Speaks" videos. Who is this Adamu? ... So many questions.